Last winter, one of the co-pastors at my church in Charlotte recommended that I listen to The Liturgists, a podcast hosted by scientist Mike McHargue and musician Michael Gungor.
After one episode, I was hooked.
I listened to episode after episode on a 10-hour drive to Indianapolis. And then I kept listening on the way back to Charlotte. And then I re-listened to episodes throughout the year.
(By the way, if you have never heard of The Liturgists, these are my top-five favorite podcasts, in order: LGBTQ (Episode 20), The Bible (Episode 3), Lost and Found (Episode 6 and Episode 7), Spiral Dynamics (Episode 5) and The Cosmic Christ with Richard Rohr (Episode 35). Sorry, it’s Fantasy Football season, and I just like ranking things.) Why did I find The Liturgists to be so liberating? Gungor and McHargue, also known as “Science Mike,” had created an intellectual environment that I had always craved—a place that was safe, a place where everyone—no matter his or her beliefs or doubts—belonged, a place where personal transformation was more important than abiding by a doctrinal code, a place where Jesus—finally—was not being sold to me. A conversation where all were encouraged to learn from each other. Imagine that: listening to each other, helping one another discover how to believe rather than being told what to believe! (Church can be like this, I think. Every church I've regularly attended has helped me in some way, but I'm thankful to have found one in Charlotte that is open-minded and is a safe place for me to grow, mature and process ideas.) The Liturgists was my first experience with Science Mike’s work. This summer, I started list